Sylvanas kills herself If there was a character who would be able to challenge Arthas as the greatest and most tragic WoW villain, it could have been her. When Tirion Fordring and heroes of Azeroth killed Arthas, Sylvanas struggled with a lack of purpose now that her revenge was complete. He imprisoned his 9 remaining Val'kyr atop the Frozen Throne in Icecrown Citadel. She did kill herself. When she did, she awoke in what we now know as the Maw. Originally a high elf of Quel'thalas, at a young age Sylvanas displayed exceptional skills at being a ranger, advancing in the ranks until eventually earning the position of Ranger-General. Calia's body was taken to the Priest Order Hall, where Anduin and Alonsus Faol, under the instruction of a Naaru, performed the astonishing accomplishment of raising her as the first Lightforged Undead. She even kills herself after Arthas is dead because she sees no purpose in her continued life. Thus, she accepted a 20% chance Tyrande kills Sylvanas, 80% chance Tyrande is "purified" and suddenly stop trying to avenge the night elf genocide and beg Sylvanas for forgiveness because she could not understand her 5D chess plan. Sylvanas was the middle sister between the oldest sister Alleria, and the youngest Sylvanas gets killed, and with many others, gains control of her soul when Illidan damages the first Lich King. During a short story that's set a short time after the fall of Disaster followed: the huntress became the hunted as Alleria was overpowered by the beast, and her younger sister Sylvanas killed it to save her life. Now, this event is, by all accounts, a Sylvanas even forced Delaryn to watch the destruction of Teldrassil, like Arthas forced Sylvanas herself to watch the destruction of Quel'thalas. Sylvanas disabled the humans and ravaged Detheroc's forces, eventually coming to the dreadlord himself, and killing I saw an interesting theory that the Desolate Council will be the ones to burn Teldrassil and blame Sylvanas. then in frozen throne lich king needed a new body so he was calling arthas sylvanas allyed with 3 dreadlords left from the legion Just a small clarification that sylvanas has been without part of her soul since the moment she died. He showed her Arthas, who was cast into the Maw and I believe he told her that her fate is the same, in the Maw, along with Arthas. During the Silent Vigil quest, the tale of these two unlikely allies is brought to a close as they reflect on the realizations - and choices - that they share. Will Anduin turn her against the Jailer and they both escape the maw and then Tyrande kills Sylvanas anyway and then we all unite together to face the Jailer? Sylvanas herself led the counterattack and executed a plan to kidnap Lorna Crowley, forcing her father Darius to surrender to Sylvanas and retreat back into Gilneas with his Back in wotlk sylvanas killed herself then came back thanks to the valkyrs and claimed that she would use all her mindless forsaken as pawns to protect her and never experience death ever again. ColdfearGold • Sylvanas herself broke free from the Lich King while he was rapidly losing his powers due to the crack in the ice block, in which the soul of Ner'zhul was trapped, which was caused when he pushed Frostmourne out of the block of ice. Her family lived Arthas was killed and Sylvanas then committed suicide only to be risen by Arthas’s own Val’kyr which where clearly commanded by the Jailer and Sylvanas then allied herself with the Jailer and commit so much genocide Now it seems to me that Sylvanas “character” has either been retconned or she going to turn out to be the hero Some players think it’s sloppy writing while others think redemption is unacceptable given her past misdeeds. other than tyrande they all just kind of awkwardly ignore that there's any beef so that the story can rush to its conclusion without any distractions. She makes a deal with the Val'kyr that served Arthas - They are trapped, bound to the new Lich King, but if Sylvanas binds with them, she can live, and the Val'kyr won't be trapped anymore. Anduin Wrynn: King of Stormwind. then she betrays the dreadlords vathimaris begs, they kill What is direct evidence is 1) he has been ordering his minions to kill/ incapacitate this whole time (think of Arthas and Sylvanas’ murder sprees, and Anduin’s deeds under mind control), and 2) his plan is to enslave everything (referring to the “you will all serve me” line). k arthas had to reviv kel thuzad so he went to quel thlas to use moonwell killed sylvanas brought her back You aren’t going to like my answer but: No one. Sylvanas needs to stay alive in all those scenarios, so Elune cut the power off before Tyrande could kill her. To seal the deal, she was given 9 Valkyr. and because if tyrande interacted with her there would be When Sylvanas began to go off the rails - at least in my view - during the events preceding Battle for Azeroth, I made a certain image from a favorite questline my banner across social media: after Lord Godfrey betrays and kills Sylvanas, High Warlord Cromush standing over her body yelling "fix her!" Realizing this certianly won't be true for Alliance looks the other way when their characters do atrocities as well. Its likely the jailer has had it since then. "This is for king Varian and all the people of Gilneas who died because of you and your Forsaken. Back when she first freed herself from the LK's control and wanted to create the Forsaken, everything she did was for the sake of survival, because she alongside her kind were hunted down and killed by literally everyone for simply being undead. 85%. k arthas had to reviv kel thuzad so he went to quel thlas to use moonwell killed sylvanas brought her back Sylvanas didn’t kill the Lich King. No more "Oh she's gonna kill herself, let's save her" kind of thing! Reply Sylvanas herself broke free from the Lich King while he was rapidly losing his powers due to the crack in the ice block, in which the soul of Ner'zhul was trapped, which was caused when he pushed Frostmourne out of the block of ice. Later, Sylvanas kills herself and ends up in The Maw, likely because he already had a piece of her soul, she bypasses the Arbiter. They were a weapon to kill the Lich King, and after that task was fulfilled, she herself felt purposeless. Command Putress to use that plague even if it got the Alliance and the Horde killed Sylvanas turned full mustache twirling evil the second she regained How do you feel about Sylvanas redeeming herself? She hasn't? And she won't, not by fishing souls out of the maw. 2 Likes Iirc the sylvanas we see ingame is in much better condition she actually is in. A mortal, blue-eyed Sylvanas, clearly the fragment of soul violently returned to her by Zovaal. But then lo and behold, when she kills herself, she goes straight to hell Am I missing something? Sylvanas herself barely changed until she got her soul back. When we beat her she takes our side, the jailer then after handing her ass to her gives back half of her soul back, the half that was taken by Arthas when he killed her. Knaifu might well be behind all this, mayne Sylv has Vol,jin indirectly killed varian because his fatal wound also distracted sylvanas. What happened to Sylvanas at the end of Shadowlands? Sylvanas valiantly fights to save her people, but in the end, it’s all for naught – Arthas kills her, raises her as a banshee, and uses In the short story Edge of Night, published during early Cataclysm in 2010, she threw herself off the top of Icecrown Citadel, and died. With the dreadlord dead, Garithos When Tirion Fordring and heroes of Azeroth killed Arthas, Sylvanas struggled with a lack of purpose now that her revenge was complete. Sylvanas, on the other hand, will probably have a small moment of clarity drawing parallels to Arthas at the end of ICC just before Tyrande comes out of left field and kills her that or Blizzard lets their cashcow banshee queen escape / end up running the Maw, invalidating this last point. She made a deal with him. Since all of the remaining living Windrunners are in the Alliance (Alleria, Vereesa, the Half-Elf twins, and Arator), isn’t it more likely that Sylvanas will return as an Alliance or Alliance . is she still Undead?. Arthas kills her, making Anduin replace Sylvanas as the Jailer's champion in a cruel twist of fate. It would explain how Sylvy made initial contact with the jailor without destroying her entire plotline up to that point. Question #1: What did Sylvanas get out of this deal? A free get-out-of-jail-card? I mean, in her own words, Sylvanas no longer considers herself the Ranger-General of Silvermoon or the Banshee Queen of the Forsaken. There are speculations that Shadowlands as we found it works not how it was originally designed. They’re working together towards something unknown. The truth is he was unlucky (and blizzard wanted to kill him off the story). The Val'kyr longed to finally be free from the Lich King's control, and they would glady serve the Banshee Queen in exchange. Reply reply When she killed herself off When Sylvanas began to go off the rails - at least in my view - during the events preceding Battle for Azeroth, I made a certain image from a favorite questline my banner across social media: after Lord Godfrey betrays and kills Sylvanas, High Warlord Cromush standing over her body yelling "fix her!" Realizing this certianly won't be true for Tyrande kills Sylvanas right there, and the Jailor brings her back since he has her soul literally shackled. Making Sylvanas public enemy #1 and SWATTING her with the Alliance would directly help their agenda. (Note: This post will contain spoilers for the Sanctum of Domination end-raid cinematic! Go watch that first before reading. When the Scourge invaded Quel'thalas during the events of Warcraft III: Reign of Chaos, Sylvanas valiantly defended her When she killed herself at the end of Wrath she was transported to the Maw and it scared her shitless since it was just a void. :3 She jumped into Saronite spikes to kill herself, she saw death and used Valkyr (power of When Sylvanas questioned why she should accept his challenge, Saurfang merely pointed out that she wanted him to suffer, causing Sylvanas to wordlessly agree. So in fact the Sylvanas we have had since But my own personal fantasy about it, is that Sylvanas kills Calia Menethil, then she's killed by Genn Greymane and Calia is ressurected as a Forsaken to lead them as the rightful ruler of Lordearon. This where she saw the "afterlife" for zombies pretty much and it was hell. Sylvanas doesent want to live anymore cuz there’s no point, but if she kills herself she knows what’ll happen to her: she suffers in the Maw. 1 focusing on Jaina, let's speculate on how future Though they eventually awoke and raised the alarm, it was too late. He hijacks her soul and brings her to the Maw where he binds her soul to his will. For instance, if she believed Saurfang would be a liability to her cause. If Sylvanas were the focus of 8. ) There’s been a lot of talk about how unsatisfying the Sanctum of Domination end cinematic has felt, in particular a PC Gamer article on the subject. and then Arthas is dead. From this point onward, Sylvanas has been working on a way to live forever. "She saw only darkness. The Val'kyr wanted their freedom, and persuaded Sylvanas as she took her own life to be thier vessel. It was straight up hell. 1. Sure she killed many people but they are all currently in the maw and she could possibly reunite these people with their families. It’s quite an interesting dilemma. At blizzcon I think what Sylvanas saw when she killed herself in Icecrown was the Jailer telling her that he is Death itself and showing her what the Maw is like and misguiding her that this is the fate of everyone who dies. Sylvanas invaded Silverpine and Gilbeas, turning a new plague and the curse of undeath on new people. Everything shes done since is motivated by avoiding that fate. When Sylvanas began to go off the rails - at least in my view - during the events preceding Battle for Azeroth, I made a certain image from a favorite questline my banner across social media: after Lord Godfrey betrays and kills Sylvanas, High Warlord Cromush standing over her body yelling "fix her!" Realizing this certianly won't be true for k arthas had to reviv kel thuzad so he went to quel thlas to use moonwell killed sylvanas brought her back. With Greymane saying at the very end (In a cutscene): "This is for the Alliance. "Sylvanas killed a bunch of alliance!" Sylvanas is on the BlizzCon key art and we’ve had patches highlighting the other two Warbringers already - Jaina in 8. She is terrified of the afterlife that she briefly saw after the death of Arthas in WotLK. After the events of Frozen Throne, she manages to free herself from his control, becomes the ruler of the Forsaken and looks after her people. Sylvanas shared a very similar path to Arthas, except in her story, Arthas was Sylvanas kills herself to deny them justice 70 21. And then she felt—truly felt, for the first time in a long while. Sylvannas regained control over herself way back in Warcraft III, just to throw it out there. There has been a theory for a long time that the Saronite (or the "Blood of Yogg Saron" that Old God of insanity) influenced her Battle for Azeroth introduced three cinematics titled Warbringers, depicting character-defining moments in the lives of Jaina, Sylvanas, and Azshara. Sylvannas killed herself by throwing herself off the top of Icecrown Citadel. Sylvanas herself only really got a chance to shine in the side dungeon, and was not present for his actual death at all. She awoke in pure darkness, surrounded by the surviving Val'kyr, who told her The sylvanas book basically makes the turning point when she tried to kill herself after athas died before the events of cataclysm. Anyway, Sylvanas killed herself moments after, so maybe that stream of souls being redirected into the Maw acted as a magnet for Sylvanas' soul and she had no chance to be judged by the Arbiter. ” k arthas had to reviv kel thuzad so he went to quel thlas to use moonwell killed sylvanas brought her back. Baine 6 1. her entire character was based on getting revenge. She was in perpetual agony. then kill varian, then turn Sylvanas into another bad guy (once again making the horde the bad guys). In the short story about Sylvanas when she kills herself after the Litch Kings death exemplifies this fact. On Jaina there wasn't a phsical change, just her own mind got broken by terrible events. 2. that could be an ending I'd be okay with. But it’s still there — and We have an in-depth analysis of the Sylvanas short story if you'd like to learn more about the split soul theory. She does take pause at the Valkyr reveal that the Forsaken will be lost without her. Player Character 21 6. Sylvanas had to make a choice between her allies and the alliance, with whom they had a temporary truce after years of war. He was there for her emotionally, and professionally, helping to figure out who had murdered them, and looking after her when she was too stressed to look after herself. The Desolate Council want the forsaken to die out naturally and stop raising new people, so Sylvanas is their biggest political opponent. After his death, seeing her purpose finished, she killed herself, only to find herself in a realm of torture, pain, terror, and imprisonment (the maw). This story also hints that Sylvanas' soul was originally meant to be sent to Ardenweald, which could explain why Elune Warbringers: Sylvanas Also in Warbringers: Sylvanas, Delaryn Summermoon, the night elf unfortunate enough to encounter Sylvanas, is clad in green and gold, with a hood that looks, not exactly, but an awful lot like the Sylvanas Windrunner is the founder and leader of the Forsaken faction. Annhylde (leader of The Nine Valkyrs that were freed from Arthas's control and didint want to serve Bolvar) shows her a vision of what would happen to her The risen humans are offered a cursory option to be slain, after they go on a brief frenzied rampage and maybe kill their allies like in Andorhal, but as Undeath seems to interfere with a person's connection to the Light, it's honestly entirely possible that the Forsaken who choose to be put back down are ripped out of paradise and shoved into the void that Sylvanas herself so In it, we read that Sylvanas went to the top of ICC, saw another Lich King, and threw herself off the top so she could die. The Val'kyr rescued her, agreeing to take her place in the Maw if she were killed again. She recoiled. Three Val’kyr die to resurrect Sylvanas kills herself and is greeted with a deal with the jailer. Sylvanas made a point of destroying Teldrassil. While Sylvanas armed herself, Saurfang was granted Dra'gora by Sylvanas killed those members of the Desolate Council in Arathi not for disloyalty, but because she sees in them what she can’t cut out of herself. It is at this point that Calia Menethil reveals herself and calls for the Forsaken to defect. It says thats when she first met the jailor and came up whith the future plans. And there is a ton of other nonsense like that, like the hot take that Forsaken were oppressed by mean ol' Sylvanas to the point they couldn't even visit the upper ruins of the city (when their biggest celebration of the year, with Sylvanas herself taking a part in the ceremony, takes place in the upper ruins) or how she even forbade them to talk about Lordaeron (when Tyrande kills Sylvanas in Ardenweald, her soul goes to the maw, and the Sylvanas we fight in raid is a dominated, full puppet/mawsworn. To escape this fate, she made her bargain with the Jailer. The forsaken were her "bulwark against the infinite Posted by u/[Deleted Account] - No votes and 15 comments I’ve heard some people say its been datamined that Sylvanas kills Turaylon at some point. But, among everything else, Sylvanas’s most important character moment was the trauma inflicted on her by Arthas and how it shaped her perception of the world thereafter. To let Tyrande kill Sylvanas right then would be to allow Tyrande to lose herself to the wrath & let loose the full Night Warrior spirit of death right in the middle of Ardenweald. 3, we could learn more about her history as the Ranger-General of Silvermoon and the harrowing visions she saw in the short story “Edge of Night. In the book there's mention of Sylvanas feeling warm, light and all this stuff, but it doesn't have to mean she was in Oribos. With Patch 8. In agony. She only considers herself a Windrunner. Though they eventually awoke and raised the alarm, it was too late. Her story has been compared more than once to that of a rape analogy, specifically because of the way her When Sylvanas began to go off the rails - at least in my view - during the events preceding Battle for Azeroth, I made a certain image from a favorite questline my banner across social media: after Lord Godfrey betrays and kills Sylvanas, High Warlord Cromush standing over her body yelling "fix her!" Realizing this certianly won't be true for The Valkyr offered a pact: they would return Sylvanas' soul to her body, but only if she would bind herself to them. Comment by Ltdash on 2021-12-08T04:57:24-06:00. 5 features a new cinematic between Anduin and Sylvanas. what actually needs to change most isn't sylvanas herself but every single other character's responses to sylvanas. No doubt Sylvanas "Third death" candidates include Alleria, Sylvanas (even though it would technically be her fourth death, this would be her third in undeath), Azeroth herself (Sundering, Shattering, Sargeras), and probably a couple of others too. It is known in lore that the world trees can prevent the spread of saronite through Azeroths crust. Her time spent with the Pandaren cooks, as well as a meeting with Anduin Wrynn reminded her of her children in Dalaran, Rhonin’s children. Does anyone else wonder if Sylvanas will eventually be redeemed in some way? Perhaps eventually be turned back into a high elf? Or perhaps sacrifice herself and then be brought back by the naaru and Anduin a la Calia? I just can’t see them killing of a character that has such a huge draw. She has died multiple times before and knows the horrors of death. When Sylvanas began to go off the rails - at least in my view - during the events preceding Battle for Azeroth, I made a certain image from a favorite questline my banner across social media: after Lord Godfrey betrays and kills Sylvanas, High Warlord Cromush standing over her body yelling "fix her!" Realizing this certianly won't be true for The fact that needs to be taken into consideration is that after Sylvanas got her revenge against Arthas, she tried to kill herself, as her destiny fulfilled, but she was shown the worst torments, I mean the only morally grey Sylvanas is one of the oldest characters still ‘’alive. Sylvanas agreed, and she returned to Azeroth to continue leading the Forsaken. Reason: Teldrassil. Sylvanas was murdered and forced to be a slave under Arthas. then in frozen throne lich king needed a new body so he was calling arthas sylvanas allyed with 3 dreadlords left from the legion The one interesting plot point of shadowlands to me has been sylvanas alluding to the fact that there's more going on behind the scenes. Sylvanas disabled the humans and ravaged Detheroc's forces, eventually coming to the dreadlord himself, and killing him swiftly. Also, it would allow her to pass better judgement, as pre-ICC sylvanas didn't really deserve to go to the maw yet, only reason she did was because of This post will have some spoilers about datamined stuff from 9. " He would strike her once. Part of the wotlk lore and pretty much the reason why we had the war campaign in BFA. He sends his sleeper agent back to Azeroth. With the dreadlord dead, Garithos They kinda teased it already. As a result of her actions that caused the Sylvanas, however, grows suspicious of the Council and their shadowy hooded figure so calls for a retreat. Always. All the wielders of the Helm of Domination have denied Zovaal, he needs a new plan. As the cinematic begins, we see Dori'thur, Tyrande Whisperwind's spirit owl companion, watching Sylvanas as Tyrande commanded during Though they eventually awoke and raised the alarm, it was too late. The act rendered the battle void, and robbed Alleria of the honor of avenging herself. Here’s why. So, Sylvanas main issue is that she lost control. is she a live elf now?. He was the first Arbiter and saw countless people's lives judged by the rules set in place by the People keep screaming Sylvanas has always been evil and what they mean is evil people are stupid and do self destructive evil things. Young Sylvanas. Arthas was kinda possesed by Frostmourne, that's external force that changed him. Sylvanas was turned into undead, so not entirely herself from before. jailor creates helm of domination > helm of domination corrupts arthas > arthas kills sylvanas and raises her as an undead > sylvanas plots revenge against arthas > sylvanas works with the jailor to destroy the Sylvanas herself broke free from the Lich King while he was rapidly losing his powers due to the crack in the ice block, in which the soul of Ner'zhul was trapped, which was caused when he pushed Frostmourne out of the block of ice. I can buy her doing something of dizzying scope and questionable morality, what I don't buy her doing is making dumb short sighted decisions again and again. Sylvanas herself broke free from the Lich King while he was rapidly losing his powers due to the crack in the ice block, in which the soul of Ner'zhul was trapped, which was caused when he pushed Frostmourne out of the block of ice. Ok. And he views Forsaken and Worgen both as inhuman mongrels anyway. Dying sucks. However, she learned that her afterlife would be a ceaseless torment and, without her leadership, the Forsaken would be obliterated. Everyone had the choice when they rose to sign up for an Arthas hatefuck or do their own thing, and of course many chose the vendetta. It’s an artificial system. At the end of the fight as the Jailer grabs the shard, she breaks free and swaps sides. Sylvanas is as much of a victim as Arthas is. The time has come to enter this dark domain. Since the start of Battle for Azeroth, the story has, in my opinion, been quite a mixed bag, Arthas turned Sylvanas into Banshee in the QuelThalas invasion, she held this injustice against him & when we killed him in wotlk, she got depressed even more that she didn't see it & killed herself by jumping off the ICC, the place she entered was the maw and she only got out by making the pact with the val'kyr, that pledged themselves to her in order to not serve the new TL;DR I think us destroying the Jailer so she could take his place would be a nice redemption arc for her. So I understand that Sylvanas is obsessed with free will. Sylvanas's motivations were spelled out in her short story released during Cataclysm, where it is explicitly stated that she is using the Forsaken and the Horde as protection to keep herself alive forever and views them only as Sylvanas was a member of the prominent Windrunner family of the high elves. I little bit of an exaggeration. Blood elves were shafted into a mostly neutral position as a part of the mage/dragon conflict, and only No shit it was a personal army; Sylvanas herself was the one to free all the Forsaken. Genocide. A few times she's said (I'm paraphrasing but) "If you knew what I knew you'd be on my side too" Sylvanas kills herself at the end of wotlk Jailer brainwashes her and rezzes her Everything she's done since Sylvanas Windrunner is the ruler of the Forsaken of the Warcraft franchise. k arthas had to reviv kel thuzad so he went to quel thlas to use moonwell killed sylvanas brought her back It was a joke on how Blizzard is using Sylvanas as the focal point of the story for the last two expansions. Reply reply The problem I have, Is shes proven herself capable of influencing people in the past. She destroyed the Helm of Domination to shatter the veil between the living, “material” plane and the Shadowlands, the land where mortals go when they die. But she’s allied herself with the Jailor and drawing her new powers from him. She sought to end her undead state by destroying herself. She went to the maw and was horrified by what she saw. In Shattered Legacies, the person challenging Sylvanas - kneeling in the same position Delaryn did - is Sylvanas herself. Vengeance. We dont know if he has done this to others (probably have) but we could assume Sylvanas is the strongest to have endured it. Now Sylvanas is forced to face the fact she still doesn't have any control, and sets up a final act of defiance of everything at the end of you are stretching really hard, when has sylvanas ever need to provoke someone to kill them. However, even when she didn’t Too bad Sylvanas couldn't kill Arthas, that would be a good last view. comments sorted by Best Top New Controversial Q&A Add a Comment. I really hope I’m reading too much into it, because I feel put off just writing about this. So once he’s gained Sylvanas’ trust, he shoots her in the back and kills her, then he runs off to Shadowfang Keep to become a final boss. We might be seeing a similar narrative with Sylvanas, where in the end she has found herself serving the one was responsible for her being raised to undeath. Elune gave her the power to Once Arthas died, Sylvanas killed herself. k arthas had to reviv kel thuzad so he went to quel thlas to use moonwell killed sylvanas brought her back Patch 9. Father unintentionally killed by Gul'dan due to Horde retreat issued by Sylvanas and her Val'kyr. Regardless of who The only one that can "kill" Sylvanas there is Tyrande, or at least among those of the mortal plane we know of, since she is the only one mortal that is sent there other than us. She cries – not for herself, not for her people, but for Sylvanas is killed by Arthas, in doing so he fractures her soul, and a part of which is sent directly to the Maw, to Zovaal. I get her history. Saronite is Yogg Sarons blood. If this really does happenhow crazy do you think Alleria will go, and is she capable of killing her sister? If capable, is she powerful enough to do it? Sylvanas took out the lich king with her new found powers, but Alleria has amassed quite a bit of Void power in legion, Sylvanas is just another person whos fighting the lich king has nothing to do with regaining control over herself. In fact, the reason she’s not killed is also explicitly because Sylvanas says death would be merciful, and Tyrande condemns her to an eternity of servitude within the Maw - because Sylvanas doesn’t deserve the mercy of the end When Sylvanas kills herself at Icecrown, she gets impaled on a spire of Saronite. But the spikes, the hardened blood of an Old God, they not only would tear the body apart but would obliterate the Sylvanas Windrunner is a fictional character who appears in the Warcraft series of video games by Blizzard Entertainment. Once the Ranger-General of Silvermoon, she was murdered by the What is direct evidence is 1) he has been ordering his minions to kill/ incapacitate this whole time (think of Arthas and Sylvanas’ murder sprees, and Anduin’s deeds under mind control), and 2) Multiple characters including Sylvanas herself explicitly state that her crimes are unforgivable, and her penance in the Maw is the least she can do. Living sucks. She now knows that Shadowlands is broken and has been broken for a long time. And how she was forced to join the horde after Arthas killed her. It however was only after wrath when sylvanas killed herself that she found herself in the maw and met the jailer for the first time. ) If Sylvanas remains a villain in the plotline going forward then it’s vital that she be one that stays around and grows in power, becoming more of a threat than she already is. This strongly shows that death and death magic seems very quick to change personality and loyalty. Sylvanas is defeated, but not dead, the Jailer appears and casts her out (VIA banishment, or k arthas had to reviv kel thuzad so he went to quel thlas to use moonwell killed sylvanas brought her back. I’m not here to critique the writing, but the idea that Sylvanas is unforgivable is utter nonsense. Bolvar 5 1. The rationale for Sylvanas’ redemption is that she was not quite herself all this time After the Lich King was defeated, Sylvanas killed herself by leaping off the top of Icecrown Citadel. This might be a bit longer and deeper analysis of the events that took place back in BfA and now in Shadowlands, but the conclusion may prove that Sylvanas may actually be redeemable because of that, and I hope to start a fair discussion about it. . 1 and Azshara in 8. k arthas had to reviv kel thuzad so he went to quel thlas to use moonwell killed sylvanas brought her back My theory is that Elune is working with or has aligned ideals as the Jailer, or simply other plans for Sylvanas herself. More undead to Wrathgate incident was betrayal from High Apotechary Putress and Varimatrhas. No, Proudmoore is safe from her wrath. Sylvanas is self interested and clever, not stupid evil. We could go on with who was indirectly responsible for his death. Due to "There must always be a lich king," Bolvar Fordragon took his place. I think the jailer has been involved this whole time, ever since The Halls of Reflection. She tried to kill herself after Lich Kings defeat but she was denied death, denied afterlife. Led Alliance and Horde rebels to victory in Fourth War against Sylvanas Loyalists and N'Zoth. Thus, she accepted a Sylvanas herself broke free from the Lich King while he was rapidly losing his powers due to the crack in the ice block, in which the soul of Ner'zhul was trapped, which was caused when he pushed Frostmourne out of the block of ice. 31%. Sylvanas wanted to kill her sister, raise her from the dead, and then the two of them could rule the Forsaken side-by-side. My point simply being that The Lich King can’t just do “his thing” on her, like he did on us, because it has no effect on her. She says nothing of any of this, and watches Proudmoore for a response. The fall alone couldn't kill her: her animate flesh was nigh indestructible. Joining Sylvanas in Undercity to rule the Forsaken would mean abandoning them. She makes a deal with Arthas' Valkyrs. Their leader, Annyhilde, sacrificed herself to resurrect Sylvanas. In an upsetting twist, she ended up going to the worst Lady Sylvanas Windrunner, styled variously as "the Dark Lady" and "the Banshee Queen", is the ruler of the Forsaken. Very nice resolution! Veresa and Aleria could have a conversation afterwards, where Aleria would agree that Sylvanas When Sylvanas began to go off the rails - at least in my view - during the events preceding Battle for Azeroth, I made a certain image from a favorite questline my banner across social media: after Lord Godfrey betrays and kills Sylvanas, High Warlord Cromush standing over her body yelling "fix her!" Realizing this certianly won't be true for Commentaire de Bellzebub Sylvanas Coursevent, à l'origine forestière haut-elfe et commandant des défenses des portes de Lune-d'argent, fut tuée par Arthas armé de Deuillegivre pendant son assaut sur la capitale elfe avec son armée I personally think that Greymane should be the one who kills Sylvanas (If Blizzard wants to kill her) It would be an epic duel. 46%. This is why Alliance players don't care about Jaina's ethnic cleansing in Dalaran. BFA happens and her goal is to deliver as many souls as possible to the Maw. If they can bear the stench of rot. The one thing Sylvanas doesn't want to do is die. Then the Youtube video suggested there was a scene during the undead legacy quest where you help Calia kill the new Scarlet crusade where you find out Sylvanas is gone f In "Edge of Night" Sylvanas "kills" herself by plummeting off Ice Crown Citadel and her body landing on Saronite. " Probably meaning she's forced to serve the Jailer in shadowlands and after she met him when she killed herself in ICC. The whole reason she kills herself is in part fueled by the fact that she didn’t actually give a shit about the Forsaken. Maybe her heart will be Sylvanas killed herself somewhere around the time Deathwing came out of Deepholm, so the very start of the Cataclysm. "Killed a bunch of the opposite faction" isn't something most characters (and indeed players) don't give a shit about. She also had a brother named Lirath. Both hated Sylvanas for being raised to undeath, but ended up serving her in the end. All her evil deeds were caused by herself. and despair at having nothing left to live for, she threw herself off the top of ICC in an attempt to kill herself. Disregarding the fact that several souls have most likely been destroyed, unless they retcon that or make it possible to glue them back together, even if she manages to get all the souls that she personally killed or who's death she was involved in, she will simply have When Sylvanas asks Arthas for a quick death he instead tips her soul out and turn it into a banshee. Sylvanas was the middle sister between the oldest sister Alleria, and the youngest sister Vereesa. is she Kyrian? looking very blue like uther! your thoughts? This quest to kill Sylvanas is hardly worth taking up space in the quest log Edit: Looks like they recognized this and have now added 1500 anima to the gold reward. She's so harrowed by the experience that, after she Sylvanas valiantly fights to save her people, but in the end, it’s all for naught – Arthas kills her, raises her as a banshee, and uses her as a weapon of war against the high elves. Reply reply thedup • The main tip is that you should be using skills on her to kill her when you want rather than relying on the enemy. Unlike Saurfang, and even Varian, she isn’t disposable when the story So! Just a crackpot theory on my part, however is it possible that the impetus for Shadowlands was the deal that Sylvanas and Helya made in legion? It fits roughly with the timeline we’ve been given. Her presesence becomes known to the Jailer who, desperate to break free, seizes the opportunity to reclaim the former slave of the Frostmourne and gain a potentially useful asset. Jaina 1 0. The Gathering was a dismal failure. I understand she tried to kill herself and met the Jailer in the Shadowlands. In response, Sylvanas opens fire on the Forsaken and Calia. Doesn't matter though, it's still the law. Keep huffing your copium buddy. She accepted and returned to dedicate herself to a new plan, a plan that will change the world of When Sylvanas began to go off the rails - at least in my view - during the events preceding Battle for Azeroth, I made a certain image from a favorite questline my banner across social media: after Lord Godfrey betrays and kills Sylvanas, High Warlord Cromush standing over her body yelling "fix her!" Realizing this certianly won't be true for sylvanas's motivations are dumb but that seems like the point. Edit:Or rather, she barely changed until they made her "hell experience" be the Jailer manipulation to get her to side with him. It involved Sylvanas going to the top of ICC to see Arthas's dead body for herself, but it wasn't there, and the pieces of Frostmourne were broken. Nonsense, if someone with DID kills someone they are still held responsible The first thing it came to mind to me when Sylvanas killed Saurfang is how that blast looked almost like a spell from shadow priests. 54%. You want examples?: vs genn in legion; vs anduin’s party in the siege of lordaeron; vs saurfang All of those were encounters that she didn’t need to provoke anyone because she was confident of her victory. Sylvanas inherited her mother's position as Ranger-General, and now that she was in charge she offered Nathanos a Sylvanas kills herself atop the Icecrown. What she saw was absolutely Vowed to hunt Sylvanas and will not sign the armistice until Sylvanas is deceased. she needs a new motivation for her character, so she kills Sylvanas pre-cata evilness was actually justified or at least understandable she resented the lich king and wanted to defeat him by any means, once Arthas dead she even tried to kill herself knowing her main goal was achieved but the devs decided to revive her and make her follow the villain / anti-hero path again without any real reason Sylvanas kills herself on Saronite spikes, the hardened blood of Yogg Saron. Vereesa planted herself in the kitchens in order to have access, and laced the meal, and then began to have doubts. then in frozen throne lich king needed a new body so he was calling arthas sylvanas allyed with 3 dreadlords left from the legion invasion vamariths deathorc ballanzar they try to kill arthas but he escapes to northren. No one should get to kill Sylvanas. Consequently Sylvanas now finds herself and the Forsaken acutely vulnerable, despised, marginalised, and mistrusted within the Horde, and under constant military threat from the Alliance. Fandral planted the world tree in grizzly hills for this purpose. The first time Sylvanas had killed herself, only one Valkyr had to take her place but apparently that Valkyr was more powerful than the other ones since this time it took all 3 of them to bring Sylvanas kills herself and then entersthe Maw? The description is way different from what we see in-game, that's why I'm confused. At first she was an Elven Ranger-General but then she was killed and revived by Arthas Menethil and forced to kill for him. At the end of the campaign, she tells the loyalist character that the rebellion happened sooner than she had hoped, indicating that her plans were to first destroy the Or did the Arbiter decide "fuck Sylvanas more than Kael'thas" I'm kinda confused, Sylvanas was a fiercely loyal protector of her people, was brainwashed, and then banded her people together to defeat the man who created and enslaved them. She gets another one in the Battle for Azeroth expansion when she raises dead heroes of the Sylvanas killed Calia herself, seeing any Menethil as a threat to her authority. Originally introduced in Warcraft III: Reign of Chaos, she received a As Ranger-General of Silvermoon, the high elf capital, Sylvanas Windrunner led her forces against the death knight Arthas Menethil, champion of the Lich King, during the Third War. She hit the jagged rocks below and she died. Sylvanas entire character from Warcraft 3 until Wrath, her foundation was her hatred for Arthas. What destruction would Tyrande have unleashed upon that realm? Furthermore, she’d be at that point because Elune let her get there. When Sylvanas' parents were killed, Nathanos was her rock. ’’ She, and all her sisters are all very unique, and interesting. Sylvanas kills Zelling as an example, and for all the law the Horde has, that is totally legal - if not totally ethical. Sylvanas kills the spirit behind the Lich King, frees Bolvar, he has a ruinion with his daughter before all the scourge get final peace, including Sylvanas. Sylvanas's motivations since Cata have been a bit of a mystery, Not really. Just curious as to what folks think! Wish yall a k arthas had to reviv kel thuzad so he went to quel thlas to use moonwell killed sylvanas brought her back. A If you do the war campaign as a loyalist, you find out that Sylvanas actually wants a rebellion to form within the Horde - likely with the intention of sending more souls to the Maw as a result of their infighting. 2 like dialogues, maybe cutscenes and the raid ending etc. Sylvanas kills friendly summons Once she has boosted her attack enough to kill herself she shoots herself. That's a positive outcome for them. Here she met The Jailer who promised her that they can break the cycle of life and death together. We’ve wiped out nearly every other character from Warcraft 1-3 that was an even remotely viable Sylvanas killed herself after the original Lich King was defeated. Guys, I don't think the lore was retconned at all. Sylvanas was a member of the prominent Windrunner family of the high elves. Zovaal 45 13. I think it would go: Arthas-Sylvanas-Jaina, in tems of who had the least control of hteir actions. Cause if that redemption isn't ALL of those things, then I'mma raid old Undercity, kill Sylvanas This was one thing that seems to have faded away but it still kind of makes my eye twitch when they have Calia moments in the game. People wanting To poke a Dick in her wouldnt run out of holes. Sylvanas herself even says what she's done if unforgivable. After LK is killed Sylvanas goes to Frozen Throne and seeing her purpose done suicides herself off the Throne and lands on a saronite spike. Keep in mind that before Cataclysm, Sylvanas considered her undeath to be a burden and the only reason she endured it was to bring Arthas to justice. Last I remember Sylvanas was exiled to the Maw at the end of Shadowlands to try and redeem herself by finding lost souls wrongfully sent there during the jailer’s time. Imagine, going from one hell under Arthas, to literal Hell. They both see it as unfair. then she betrays the dreadlords vathimaris begs, they kill And it would mean taking the chance, too likely and too horrible, that Proudmoore would come back a lich, or—better or worse, Sylvanas doesn’t know—require so much power to raise that Sylvanas would kill herself trying. recently we had the Void whispering to Alleria about Sylvanas: she is a violation, she serves the true enemy, kill her now To me this looks clearly like Sylvanas serves Yogg Saron, the god of death. galozyg ctqif liisa vpono gpcb rvvm xwmpp bmtzjv ukco prtte